Goonfleet vs. Band of Brothers

Why is the Goon side winning? In the words of Shadoo, Pandemic Legion Fleet Commander for the offensive (note: HAC = Heavy Assault Cruiser, a gunboat that can be fitted as a sniper and a favorite of Pandemic Legion)...

We have been successful this time (my 3rd time in Delve, 2nd proper offensive) -- NOT because we brought everything and the kitchen sink. We have been successful because we brought GF/KIA + MM/RZR + TCF + PL/SOT who have been operating pretty much as 4 entities with their own fleets and designated targets.

We've syncronized our sieges, had topes to cover each others and in fights -- called 3-4 different primaries across fleets on their own comms after having landed on field within a minute of each others.

Everyone's used a combined jabber, all FCs are always constantly polling for intel and how each others are doing and when they've started siege cycles. The communication and coordination over the past 2 weeks has been unparallel to anything I've seen/done before.

Delve mk1 we tried to do something like this, but it failed miserably. Nync did his own thing, Suas tried to coordinate with MC over MSN, RZR was in Querious, etc etc etc... Delve mk1 coalition assault reminds me more of GKC defence mk2 this time around infact.

You appear to be very badly coordinated, your allies on paper should outnumber/match us (and did for the first 2 days). Your issue was that your 2-3 different fleets (GKC, EXE, RKZ) in the first 3-4 days were warping in sometimes 5min after the fight kicked off and 2 min after one of you warped out. By the time you pulled everything to a single teamspeak -- your dicipline and fleet ability had dropped significantly due to heavy losses I presume.

You strategy seems to have been the old "pile up, lock system and hold it" in the W-4 const. You demonstrated very little manuverability and very little aggression to try to intercept any of the smaller groups/tower spam in the starting days of the conflict. And by the time you demonstrated aggression (Waagaa's fleet) -- I dare say it was too little too late.

When you swapped to combined fleets and shared your tower passwords for titan bridges -- you chose the Delve mk1 strategy of "pile everything to PR and base from there". I'm not sure if you expected Delve mk1 like 20 man PL HAC gangs to harass you in PR, but whoever made that decision completely failed to realize the field and spread of your hostiles.

The first time the combined fleet ended in PR -- was the last time so far it has undocked in there. It's not an issue as such for many, since you can JC and roam... But to do anything beoynd light roaming seems to have utterly stopped due to this, thus giving us keys to roam your kingdom with capitals 23/7 at speed I've not ever seen before.

I'm sorry to waffle on here, it just seems appropriate to respond to your points in your post that to me seem a little unrealistic. This whole "everyone is picking on us, so just sit and wait" line demonstrates the complete denial of what has happened and shows the usual hubris to acknowledge and try to address the issues that actually have lead you here.

Just look at the KB, view involved parties, check dotlan maps for pilot numbers and you realize -- you aren't outnumbered. Check the first 2 engagement involved pilot numbers if you want to argue "numbers on paper aren't on the battlefield".

"Hubris" is the Classical Greek concept of supercilious pride and arrogance; the unspoken belief that one can get away with anything because you cannot be harmed. Actions of Hubris end up shaming their victims and often their perpetrators. Hubris inevitably draws down the attention of Nemesis, the Greek goddess of retribution.

BoB was very much an empire. The Pet Alliances were subordinate and treated as such. They were not permitted free access to BoB's space, only what they paid rent for. They were not brought in to decision making for the BoB Alliance, or allowed to listen in; communication was through the Greater BoB Coalition (GBC) channels. If a Pet member showed up for a fleet action with "Tech 1" equipment as opposed to the more expensive "Tech 2" fittings, they were criticised by BoB's officers.

From the point of view of LuciasTrask, a Pet Alliance member (note: JC = Jump Clone, having your character appear in another pre-selected location and leaving all the ships/equipment you were using behind)....

I have been in both Delve wars, mostly on the side of BoB and then with VV for a little while, which sucked. But I can say this.

The first time around, when I was with Aftermath, we used BOB TS, we had direct orders and while the people that flew [censored] fit ships (me.. I was a noob) got scolded it still felt like one team.

This time around is different for me.

I am just an EXE nubbin right now, but when in the US TZ, we are not allowed on BOB TS so we have no idea what is going on. Im in fleets with people I dont know or have ever heard of before on the GBC TS.

I have lost 2 Falcons with only 1 rapier kill in curse to show for my efforts as the GBC leadership is alway behind the ball because of communications.

I hear "Support warp to so and so" Suddenly Im in a bubble.. then a pod, then a station. Nothing but reds in sight for the mos part. So my efforts are definitely hampered when by the time we are ordered to warp and engae, BOB has left the field and We warp onto an enemy that has already loaded grid. In some of these fights if the fleets had been unified we would have outnumbered the PL/SOT/GF/NC fleets. But we never actually seem to merge, just get suicided onto already loaded reds.

I have JC'd out of PR- leaving quite a few HAC/HIC and logistic ships behind. Whatever I will buy new ones. So thats not a big blow to me. I have plenty of BS in PB to throw at the war effort.

What does hurt the efforts in my opinion is a lack of communication between the GBC and BoB from a grunt perspective. I know basically nothing aout what is going on. I learn more from Sahdoos battle reports than when I am logged in. Kinda silly.

I have heard all the "BoB thinks you suck" talk and while it doesnt bother me if it is or isnt true I know some people it does bother. I think that is another problem.

The true solution to this problem is for everyone in the GBC to swallow their pride and shut up. Start working together, begin to fight with capitals on the field, and not be afraid to die. I mean [censored] I was in a meat shield alliance the first time around and died ALL THE TIME.

Its just pixels. Lets lose them in fun ways. The PR- camp can be broken by everyone stuck in there logging in and a quad doomsday on the station folowed by a mass undock. Then begin to drop the capitals in. Sure we may lose some, we may lose alot. We may lose a titan. But we wont to a conventional fleet, it will take a capital fleet to bring down that many caps and sub caps.

this war isnt over, it just needs to be rethought from our side.

Maybe I might get blasted for posting this, hell I dont even know if any of this is already planned. Like I said. Being a grunt on the bottom doesnt lend itself to knowing really anything of what is going on.

BoB/KenZoku has fallen to Hubris.

And the Goons are Nemesis...